New Hib alliance clarification

[Terina/Sinaroc]

May I ask why this wasn't posted here or voted on?

The daoc alb/hib guilds are lenient and all, but no one person has the right to decide what is 'best' for the guild.


For those not in the know we were apparently pulled along with Spiritus Octavus into the Blades of Hibernia alliance.

For info about them one can visit here
webpages.charter.net/chleo/

They also have TS server but won't post that here.

They're a heavy rvr guild and slightly different then what doj people been used to. I've grouped in rvr with them and are decent people for most part(not a bunch of ganking 8vs8 nitwits). I really not sure this would be best for all though.


Discuss

There has been talk in /gu about SO joining and possibly us but nothing ever put up here like I said above.

There was also brief mention other night about we wouldnt even have voting rights in new alliance. Has this been changed? If we are to be second class then there really is no place for us in this alliance.

[Allura Prime]

As the title says this really pushed my buttons, so part of this is a rant, but please read it anyways.

Why do we want/need to do this? Is this a done deal, and we would have no vote in this alliance? I really hope not.

This is the first time I have even heard about the Blades of Hibernia. I have read their charter and I would assume as a member of their alliance we would be expected, to a certain extent, to follow it.


I do not want to be a part of any guild/alliance that states:

"DAoC is divided into three realms with an RvR component. As such, when a call comes through the guild or the alliance, members of BoH are expected to respond if at all possible. Bring the character most likely to assist with the problem (generally those level 45+). If you are unable to answer a Call to Arms, please respond in /gu.

When answering a Call to Arms, you should take the most expedient route to reach the group, which may include suiciding out of a dungeon or a raid; should such a situation occur, please make sure to explain to the group why you are leaving and be sure to disband from the group before suiciding. Once others hear why you are leaving, they may wish to join in the Call."

This is my game, I pay for it, these are my toons and I feel it is my right to play my toons when and where I feel I want too!

Now what I'm about to say will probably tick some people off but I want you to know how I feel.

DoJ as a guild for the most part now plays exclusively on Palomides. However I do still craft on Bedevere occasionally. It was voted on and it's done.

Now I may be wrong but my understanding for the move was that we did it because Spirit Octavius moved there, and RvR on Bedevere was basically dead in the water. If I'm wrong about this please let me know. I know that Cimba and Earl where also playing on Palo and really enjoyed it, and yes it is easier to level here.

So now we are or have already joined the Blades of Hibernia because Spiritus Octavius did? Excuse me but what are we Spiritus Octavius lapdogs? Or are we simply playing a game of "follow the leader?" Are we DoJ or are we SO-DoJ?

Don't get me wrong I have played with members of SO and with Proc as well. I think that they are a great group of people and seem a nice fit to DoJ and what we stand for. More importantly DoJ as a guild has remained autonomous.

Anyways SO has joined Blades of Hibernia alliance. As we all know DoJ is a small guild and even if we can vote in this new alliance let's face it, we would be a small voice in the crowd. As such I really believe we would lose our ability to remain autonomous.

Are we/did we join Blades so that there would be more opportunity for RvR? Yes we are small but we are DoJ, and I understand that we miss alot of opportunities because we are such a small guild. Reading the charter of Blades of Hibernia, I feel that they do share alot of DoJ values.

However if we have to/or feel we need to join an alliance that seems pretty rigid and inclusive then I'd really like to understand why.

I am proud to be a member of the Defenders of Justice and the values it stands for. Can we still uphold the values and standards of DoJ if we are members of an alliance that tells us what we are expected to do,and how we are expected to do that?

[trug]

Here is what I know.
About a month ago Proc had mentioned to a few of us he may be leaving us to enter an Alliance with BoH, but was not sure they would take SO as they are a small guild too.
I have run with BoH in RvR a number of times in RvR and they typically have peeps online and in RvR all day long. They do seem to be a good bunch of guys and gals.
Monday night as I was about to log Proc sent me a tell, I was the only one on and he mentioned that he was still looking to join BoH Alliance. He mentioned that there was a possibility that they might accept us as well understanding that we are a small guild. Proc asked me who is our GM, I said hmm??? I'm not really sure and that we all share and help with responsibilities, but if anyone takes the lead with things it would be Ter. He said that if we DoJ were accepted too we may not have voting rights in alliance, but he said he was not sure and would let us know the details. And that he himself had to find out more details regarding SO's place. ***I logged and went to sleep.
Tuesday I mentioned the conversation with Proc to Ter over Ts. Wednesday I see Ter's post.
So, if it's my fault for being the person that had the described conversation with Proc, then I am at fault.

The daoc alb/hib guilds are lenient and all, but no one person has the right to decide what is 'best' for the guild.

Ouch. I didn't agree to join anything and didn't really hear enough details from Proc to post anything other than : PROC Mentioned SO might join an Alliance.

[Faulke]

First I've heard of it, perhaps we should check with Proc on this. Not sure if he checks our boards or not, so hard saying what happened.

Simple explanation I'm sure....oversight at best, and easily repaired I'd think.

TTFN

[Allura Prime]

Very easily repaired.

Certainly a mis-communication at best.

However let's clear up one thing, It's my understanding that Earl/Fitzmaurice is overseeing or acting gm of this branch of DoJ. Is that incorrect?

[Cimba]

Well, here is what happened last night. And Yes, I knew what Trug stated above. Last night Proc and Exor pst'ed me looking for our Palo GM. I said we did not have GM but work out issues jointly. So Fitz and I got a message that SO was joining Blades and that we were also invited. Fitz and myself thought it was the right thing for the guild. We need to be in an alliance, and these guys are good, I have rvr'ed with them often.

So, if blame is necessary Cimba and Fitz are the ones that made the decision. We discussed this and thought it was the right thing.

If we need to dicuss this further we should do it here, but my vote is we stay in Blades.

Cimba

[trug]

I think that Fitz and Cimba acted appropriately given an on the spot descision. If it comes down to it it is easier to leave an alliance then to get in one especially for a guild as small as ours.
I feel that an active alliance will only help us in the things that we would like to do on Palo and I welcome being part of the alliance.
My vote would be to join/stay part of BoH alliance.

[Earl]

I appologize for not have posted this sooner as to the change in Alliance status sooner. As it happened I was one of the few DoJ on last night and had no other aim other than a little alt leveling but as it turned out it was quite an active night. Firstly we have two new members of DOJ Coneyisland and Lerilorial you may recognizze them from there Bedevere names of Leri and Tamborinegirl both are well known in our Bedevere alliance as stand up players. I releaize we didn't vote on accepting them but felt that they would be a great addition to our guild and felt you all would agree. The second event of the night was the disbanding of the SO alliance in order that a new larger one could be created lead by the blades of Hibernia guild. Although I had no real knowledge of the new guilds in the Alliance Proc reassured me these were top notch guilds on our cluster. The real fault here is mine for not posting this last night so you would all be aware of the changes for that again I appologize. My reason for joining a larger alliance was simply to provide more oppertunity for our members to group and enjoy the game. If anyone feeling I have not acted in the best interest of the guild or if I have offened anyone I here by offer my resignation from the Defenders Of Justice, I will stand by your judgement.

Fitzmaurice

[Allura Prime]

I don't think anyone is to "blame" for anything.

I agree fully with trug that an on the spot descision was necessary and made. Unless they prove to be a bunch of "ya hoos" I say that we stay as well.

I have been in DAoC for I think close to 4 years. I have come to know many of the players here. I will tell you all that I trust each and everyone of you when it comes to making descisions in regards to our guild.

Cimba you are right, as a guild here in DAoC, we do work together to make descisions and work things out.

[Terina/Sinaroc]

I just didnt like the spur of the moment thing and was miffed that no discussion about it was made and should of seen AP venting this morning.

[trug]

No No No....Fitz you may not resign. Like I said I believe you did what was best and I agree with your and Cimba's decision. ;D ;D ;D

[Allura Prime]

Nice try Fitz, spoken like a true leader and no you may NOT resign.

[Earl]

sheeewuuu thank you all for your understanding let's close this thread and get back to the game.



Fitz